tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post117216248728616036..comments2023-10-15T10:25:22.469-05:00Comments on Arrogant Self-Reliance: I Know Whose Side I'm On: Thoughts on Marvel's Civil WarAmy Readshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-18272487843650638712007-03-01T09:33:00.000-06:002007-03-01T09:33:00.000-06:00Hi Ink,just to add - How interesting is it that th...Hi Ink,<BR/><I>just to add - How interesting is it that the Tony Stark from the Civil War/standard marvel universe scares me waaaaaaaay more than the Tony Stark from the Ultimates/Tougher Marvel Universe?</I><BR/><BR/>Me, too! Evil, crazy people I can stomach. People "doing right" for me, for "my own good"? *shudder*<BR/><BR/><I>Also to add, from your comment on my blog, I totally understand the indignation on the DC Universe turning their backs on WW after the Maxwell Lord incident. Since DC wasn't my childhood, I simply thought: "wow, thats poor writing. the others have such history with diana that they wouldn't do that." On the other hand, the post I put up when I saw that they brought back the '70's captain marvell was all about real anger for me.</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't know about this, and I asked Mr. Reads, who was apparently going to post a rare comment to my blog, but the internet went down or something. What angered you about bringing him back?<BR/><BR/><I>And, yes, its comic books, but we love these characters, all the while knowing that they're properties of a corporation and, thus, beyond our ability to save.</I><BR/><BR/>You don't have to say "it's comic books" with me! I think that comics are a viable medium in which to discuss important social issues. Nothing reflects what a society as a whole cares about or is concerned about than its popular culture; we can thank My Beloved Victorians for that! I actually get upset when people argue against reading into comic books because "they're just comic books." We love them, no? We read them, we discuss them, these things are important to us. So we should say so :)<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-7432007475309197162007-02-27T13:18:00.000-06:002007-02-27T13:18:00.000-06:00just to add - How interesting is it that the Tony ...just to add - How interesting is it that the Tony Stark from the Civil War/standard marvel universe scares me waaaaaaaay more than the Tony Stark from the Ultimates/Tougher Marvel Universe?<BR/><BR/>Also to add, from your comment on my blog, I totally understand the indignation on the DC Universe turning their backs on WW after the Maxwell Lord incident. Since DC wasn't my childhood, I simply thought: "wow, thats poor writing. the others have such history with diana that they wouldn't do that." On the other hand, the post I put up when I saw that they brought back the '70's captain marvell was all about real anger for me. <BR/><BR/>And, yes, its comic books, but we love these characters, all the while knowing that they're properties of a corporation and, thus, beyond our ability to save.inkdestroyedmybrushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09037083364689982443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-87680842383881253402007-02-26T21:44:00.000-06:002007-02-26T21:44:00.000-06:00Amy,I definitely will let you know if I read it ag...Amy,<BR/><BR/>I definitely will let you know if I read it again. Your entry definitely was great food for thought!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032595703562178466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-16604818662367130722007-02-26T21:29:00.000-06:002007-02-26T21:29:00.000-06:00Hi The Mutt,re: joke, I'm more curious as to how i...Hi The Mutt,<BR/>re: joke, <I>I'm more curious as to how it went over at Mel Brooks house, considering that it's his joke from To Be or Not To Be.</I><BR/><BR/>Eek! I don't think I've ever seen it! But I was thinking History of the World, Part I, and the "Hey, Torquemada, whaddya say?" scene, and that led me to this thought:<BR/>I just recently saw a book that was censored during the Spanish Inquisition. As in, I saw the actual book, with the original censoring. That was neat.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes my brain takes me strange places.<BR/><BR/>It's a thing.<BR/><BR/><I>And you know, what Marvel actually kept asking us was "Who's side are you on?" Yes, it's still right there on their website, after how many months? Nice job, Marvel editors. In a way, I think it sums up the whole business quite well.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh no! Who's/whose is a particularly unhappy confusion, but at least it wasn't it's/its. That drives me completely batty. But you're right. It's still there.<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-39848958053807018672007-02-26T21:20:00.000-06:002007-02-26T21:20:00.000-06:00Hi Ink,amy - really good stuff. I've linked out to...Hi Ink,<BR/><I>amy - really good stuff. I've linked out to it from my blog, as well as putting up a post on cap that the aftermath of civil war as well.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks! I look forward to reading your thoughts.<BR/><BR/><I>I think that it usually takes someone who is "not us" to understand the slight difference in social situations that exists between the "us" and "not us". Whether its being black, asian, jewish or gay, you can feel the microfractures that exists in the communication. Good call on that being an underlying thread.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, thanks, Friend. I think it's really true--the person not part of the group, whether that is a racial group, a religious one, a clique, etc., can often read the group better than the group can ever read itself. It's a classic storyline, and has been for some time. It takes an Outsider, or an Other, or simply an unexpected someone to point to inherent differences.<BR/><BR/><I>I wonder how Ellen's comment at the Oscars last night about "there not being movies without gays, jews and blacks" went over in middle america?</I><BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I didn't watch the Oscars, so I missed the comment :\ (it was Battlestar Galactica night, you realize). I'll try to catch it on YouTube, and give you my thoughts!<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-50530811592277195942007-02-26T14:38:00.000-06:002007-02-26T14:38:00.000-06:00"I wonder how Ellen's comment at the Oscars last n..."I wonder how Ellen's comment at the Oscars last night about "there not being movies without gays, jews and blacks" went over in middle america?"<BR/><BR/>I'm more curious as to how it went over at Mel Brooks house, considering that it's his joke from To Be or Not To Be. <BR/><BR/>And you know, what Marvel actually kept asking us was "Who's side are you on?" Yes, it's still right there on their website, after how many months? Nice job, Marvel editors. In a way, I think it sums up the whole business quite well.The Mutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149977320388415139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-77288578592335184592007-02-26T13:17:00.000-06:002007-02-26T13:17:00.000-06:00amy - really good stuff. I've linked out to it fro...amy - really good stuff. I've linked out to it from my blog, as well as putting up a post on cap that the aftermath of civil war as well. <BR/><BR/>I think that it usually takes someone who is "not us" to understand the slight difference in social situations that exists between the "us" and "not us". Whether its being black, asian, jewish or gay, you can feel the microfractures that exists in the communication. Good call on that being an underlying thread. <BR/><BR/>I wonder how Ellen's comment at the Oscars last night about "there not being movies without gays, jews and blacks" went over in middle america?inkdestroyedmybrushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09037083364689982443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-89708730354800632342007-02-25T22:31:00.000-06:002007-02-25T22:31:00.000-06:00Hi Loren,As usual, a fascinating read. And, this w...Hi Loren,<BR/><I>As usual, a fascinating read. And, this was great food for thought. I liked your thoughts on Tony Stark, being scarier than any villain or hero. That is so true. </I><BR/><BR/>I've been frightened of Tony Stark for Some Time Now--but perhaps that's because I read The Ultimates, which is, above all else, A Scary Book.<BR/><BR/><I>But, I have to admit that I was completely underwhelmed and depressed at the end of Civil War. </I><BR/><BR/>Oh, no doubt, Friend! While I'm not underwhelmed, I am depressed. I'm certainly not *happy* about the decisions made at the end, but I appreciate the direction it's going in.<BR/><BR/><I>I felt that any hope in the world evaporated and that my faith in heroes is totally gone. Mr. Fantastic was one of my favorite heroes and, now, after all that's gone down, I don't think I could ever like him again. I think part of the reason why this all depresses me is that most of my favorite heroes are now in the "underground." </I><BR/><BR/>Again, I agree absolutely with what you're saying, but I still must admit that I find it all a very interesting development. I think part of my fascination stems from the fact that I'm not that attached to Marvel characters. That is to say, I'm attached to a few (mainly, the Runaways, because I've read the series in single issues since its beginning), but not the way I am to DC's characters. When everyone turned against Wonder Woman after the Max Lord event, I wouldn't touch comics for several days. I was, to put it mildly, seething with rage at everyone who turned their back on Wonder Woman.<BR/>Too attached by far!<BR/><BR/><I>And, while I could see Captain America surrendering because of all the damage he saw was being caused...if we didn't have six issues before that where we saw Captain America in the middle of similar destruction without batting an eye. Captain America was fighting for an ideal -- the ideal of freedom. He knew the stakes and we respected him for that. But, it really just seemed like he gave up suddenly. </I><BR/><BR/>I don't think he gave up. I didn't read it that way. I read it as a Sacrifice. Because ultimately, Captain America in prison, as the symbol of repressed freedom, will gain more battle ground that Cap fighting Iron Man on television.<BR/>In other words, I don't think we've seen anything yet.<BR/><BR/><I>I'll have to read it again, but, it felt to me that Marvel tried to make the anti-Infinite Crisis...only Infinite Crisis gave me hope while Civil War just gives me despair.</I><BR/><BR/>No, it's true. I like Infinite Crisis more than I like Civil War, but I can't help but be fascinated by it.<BR/>Let me know if you do read it again, and if your thoughts change! Or, well, stay the same. I'm interested in what you have to say, always! :)<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-67409205424641081392007-02-22T23:26:00.000-06:002007-02-22T23:26:00.000-06:00Hey, AmyAs usual, a fascinating read. And, this w...Hey, Amy<BR/><BR/>As usual, a fascinating read. And, this was great food for thought. I liked your thoughts on Tony Stark, being scarier than any villain or hero. That is so true. But, I have to admit that I was completely underwhelmed and depressed at the end of <I>Civil War</I>. I felt that any hope in the world evaporated and that my faith in heroes is totally gone. Mr. Fantastic was one of my favorite heroes and, now, after all that's gone down, I don't think I could ever like him again. I think part of the reason why this all depresses me is that most of my favorite heroes are now in the "underground." And, while I could see Captain America surrendering because of all the damage he saw was being caused...if we didn't have six issues before that where we saw Captain America in the middle of similar destruction without batting an eye. Captain America was fighting for an ideal -- the ideal of freedom. He knew the stakes and we respected him for that. But, it really just seemed like he gave up suddenly. I'll have to read it again, but, it felt to me that Marvel tried to make the anti-<I>Infinite Crisis</I>...only <I>Infinite Crisis</I> gave me hope while <I>Civil War</I> just gives me despair.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032595703562178466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-10919261172699786162007-02-22T20:33:00.000-06:002007-02-22T20:33:00.000-06:00Hi Richard,PS I said, Ending the story with Cap's ...Hi Richard,<BR/>PS <BR/>I said, <I>Ending the story with Cap's surrender was quite an interesting plot development, I think.</I><BR/><BR/>And I do mean "plot development," because there will be several stories arcing out of the end of Civil War. I find the potential of those stories, rather than a return to status quo, to be the more intriguing of the two choices.<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-50870323766138830242007-02-22T20:30:00.000-06:002007-02-22T20:30:00.000-06:00Hi Richard,Come on. Yes the art and story were gre...Hi Richard,<BR/><I>Come on. Yes the art and story were great for the most part. However, would Captain America really just quit? What if he had this attitude in World War II.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree with what he did, in principle. I do think the battle became about who can outlast whom, rather than fighting for any superior purpose. I am very, very upset with him, though. I understand the thinking behind it, but don't necessarily agree with the execution.<BR/>But overall, I thought it a very interesting end for a rather interesting storyline. I didn't expect Tony to "win" (as someone has to "win" and someone has to "lose" in this story, yes?), because I expected the story to end the way I wanted it to end: with the Registration Act gone. Ending the story with Cap's surrender was quite an interesting plot development, I think.<BR/>Ciao,<BR/>AmyAmy Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02571924705714110971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38498648.post-8094414230551500632007-02-22T18:53:00.000-06:002007-02-22T18:53:00.000-06:00Come on. Yes the art and story were great for the ...Come on. Yes the art and story were great for the most part. However, would Captain America really just quit? What if he had this attitude in World War II. <BR/><BR/>Richard<BR/>http://1rightopinion-comics.blogspot.com/1 Right Opinion Comicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09017854773666339455noreply@blogger.com